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goldberg71b
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Because JJ is notorious for not keeping males. And when lineage show different mothers. Totally different offspring is possible. That is my point. If their lineage was wrote identical that would/SHOULD mean the strain name is IDENTICAL! I wouldn’t have bought them. Stardawg and Stardawg Corey shouldn’t be identical but yes from the same stock. Add to that as I said. JJ is notorious for not keeping males.

Parents might be from IDENTICAL seed stock BUT that doesn’t mean for breeding purposes they are EQUAL

Tangerine_
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goldberg71b
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I couldn’t imagine the tedious job of sifting through 3 packs at once. I germ’d 8 seeds and have 4 females and I’m having a difficult time narrowing it down with this one. The variances are so subtle. The terps and potency are pretty fantastic though so I cant really complain

Tangerine_
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goldberg71b
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goldberg71b
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Tangerine_
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I’ve seen a lot seed banks do this with labels. It isn’t always the breeder.
Btw, if you look at the next pic on IG with a picture of packs, you’ll find he did in fact confirm it. (I noticed your irate inquisition on IG and doubt you’ll get a response)

Once again, as James said, it had been posted that the all Star Dawg mothers will always be the Corey cut unless its specified on the pack the Guava was used. My Guava D has lineage listed as Star Dawg (guava) x Chem D.

I’d read the same thing James did on ICMag more than once. I always assumed they were the same due to the lineage. The confusion for me, came straight from this thread. NOT Top Dawg.

This is what prompted my question to JJ in the first place.
The only place I’ve read about this strain having the parents switched around was here on page 145/146.

I didn’t post this info to start a bunch of drama or to hate on Top Dawg. It was to help clear up the confusion started a few pages back. Sorry you’re so upset by it *SMH* ​

goldberg71b
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I’ve seen a lot seed banks do this with labels. It isn’t always the breeder.
Btw, if you look at the next pic on IG with a picture of packs, you’ll find he did in fact confirm it. (noticed your irate inquisition on IG and doubt you’ll get a response)
Once again, as James said, it had been posted that the all mothers used will always be the Corey cut unless its specified on the pack the Guava was used.

I’d read the same thing James did on ICMag more than once. I always assumed they were the same due to the lineage printed in exact order. The confusion for me, came straight from this thread. NOT Top Dawg.

I didn’t post this info to start a bunch of drama or to hate on Top Dawg. Sorry you’re so upset by it *SMH* ​

Are you suggesting seedbanks are putting stickers on TD strains for the lineages?

Sometime JJ put names and lineage sometimes it’s just names. Some lineages have multiple cuts of the same lineage. Each cut is a different pheno. Each pheno will match up slightly differently. So it can say stardawg-Corey-Guava yes they’re all stardawg but they’re not the exact same and seeds with each of them with the identical male should express slightly different offspring. One might produce more weight but not smell as good one might have the best smell and produce less and the third might hit on both weight and smell. Then as I said earlier JJ is notorious for different males. So he could hit all three with 3 different males with the same exact lineage. Which on paper would look the same. But that doesn’t mean the seeds will produce the same. One pheno might produce stable offspring and the other two might not. Changing the name surely leads the buyer to think there’s a difference. YES I get it TD is a bunch of inbreeding. But each tweak is meant to change it slightly for the better. I’m not mad I’m just pointing out what I think is common sense. Same mom and same pop SHOULD equal the same exact strain name! Besides that JJ made 4 different stardawgs ALL with different males. Each is noted for DIFFERENT traits even though it’s the same exact mom and the 4 fathers were from the same seed stock. So with TD if I see 3 strain names with the same lineage. I’m expecting they’re different phenos being used as parent or parents. Where JJ is expecting a slightly different result. With any other breeder I wouldn’t be saying this. But with JJ keeping males isn’t a strong suit.

goldberg71b
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Tangerine_
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Are you suggesting seedbanks are putting stickers on TD strains for the lineages?

Sometime JJ put names and lineage sometimes it’s just names. Some lineages have multiple cuts of the same lineage. Each cut is a different pheno. Each pheno will match up slightly differently. So it can say stardawg-Corey-Guava yes they’re all stardawg but they’re not the exact same and seeds with each of them with the identical male should express slightly different offspring. One might produce more weight but not smell as good one might have the best smell and produce less and the third might hit on both weight and smell. Then as I said earlier JJ is notorious for different males. So he could hit all three with 3 different males with the same exact lineage. Which on paper would look the same. But that doesn’t mean the seeds will produce the same. One pheno might produce stable offspring and the other two might not. Changing the name surely leads the buyer to think there’s a difference. YES I get it TD is a bunch of inbreeding. But each tweak is meant to change it slightly for the better. I’m not mad I’m just pointing out what I think is common sense. Same mom and same pop SHOULD equal the same exact strain name! Besides that JJ made 4 different stardawgs ALL with different males. Each is noted for DIFFERENT traits even though it’s the same exact mom and the 4 fathers were from the same seed stock. So with TD if I see 3 strain names with the same lineage. I’m expecting they’re different phenos being used as parent or parents. Where JJ is expecting a slightly different result. With any other breeder I wouldn’t be saying this. But with JJ keeping males isn’t a strong suit.

I’m well aware of how many versions of Star Dawg there are. I have a few of those packs. JJ is known for changing out Star Dawg males. not the females.

JJ himself (including MoneyMike) said on ICmag he uses his Corey cut for all moms in his crosses (unless the Guava is specified)
None of the seedbank I listed said “different parents were used”. You made that claim a few pages back and then again today on IG. Not sure where you buy your TD but maybe take it up with them if they’re rearranging lineage on packs.

Seems most of the the confusion comes from yes, different names but also this very thread!. Again, this is why I (politely) asked him myself and I had no issue getting a response. Not sure why that bothers you so much.

I agree that breeders should just pick a name and stick with it, and yes, I’ve seen seed banks do this with not just Top Dawg but GP as well. They don’t pick some off the wall name, they usually just combine the parents names. As long as the genetics are listed in the correct order I’m happy.

I guess if you’re not happy you can always move onto other breeders. I’m not sure what more you think anyone can do. And I’m not hear to fetch IC Mag links or do your homework and I certainly don’t care to continue this trivial debate. I simply added some info. It wasn’t a cue to start drama or to get anyones panties bunched up. There’s really no need for this to elevate when all it took in the first place was a little homework and a polite email.
*shrugs*

If you wanted different strains, why pick 3 strains with the same parents used? Most of their gear is chem/diesel back-crosses or crossed to elite clones. I…

Topdawg Genetics

Tangerine_
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There is definitely lots of fire to had in those packs

goldberg71b
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I agree. Its just not something I care enough about to debate or argue. I know JJ can be really lazy with details. I’m aware of this. I said I was aware of this and thought it was shitty to keep changing the name. Stating other people do it doesnt validate it, it expresses the absolute need for folks to do their homework. Period.
As far as it being only ONE pack from GP? Wrong again. Many from the WW series didn’t get named until later on. For instance my Tri-Fi is now Bon Fire.
However, that isn’t the issue. The issue is, a claim made a few pages back that the parents were rearranged and that had no basis in fact. I’ve not seen ANY seed banks rearrange the parents on these packs. So I simply asked JJ myself and shared that info here. Guess that was the wrong move because it did in fact stir up shit and cause butthurt.

If you two wanna spend the night re-hashing JJs business/breeding practices. have at it. Seriously, I have far bigger things on my plate than arguing over this trivial nonsense.
And when I post more pics of these grows (something neither of you have done) I’ll list all three names. just as I’ve done all along.

Who would’ve thought that contributing pics and accurate info to a thread would cause so much angst.

Thanks @Jameshaze999 There is definitely lots of fire to had in those packs