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I think your gonna need a bigger screen. Scrogging outside is a little difficult when Mother nature decides when to flip the switch for the girls. By the time I filled my 5 X 5 screen last year in mid august the strain didn’t start to Flower til mid September. I filled a whole nother screen and then had to trellis the top to hold the colas up.

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I think your gonna need a bigger screen. Scrogging outside is a little difficult when Mother nature decides when to flip the switch for the girls. By the time I filled my 5 X 5 screen last year in mid august the strain didn’t start to Flower til mid September. I filled a whole nother screen and then had to trellis the top to hold the colas up.

What strain bro?

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That’s just Ag trellis holding the buds from falling over. You can’t see it but it is Scrogged thru what I think is 2 X 4 hog wire fence on the second screen . The first screen I scrogged thru I made the mistake of tucking thru nylon or plastic fencing. The plant is so strong it started to bow up the fence and rip the staples out. Use wire fencing and u nails. If you mean by lollipopping which it really isn’t in this case , I trimmed out the lowers when all daylight was cut out. You keep tucking to fill your screen and try to time it right so your screen is full and just a couple of inches of the tops are out of the screen when the stretch starts . The fine line to walk for bigger colas is to get enough length of the tops out before the stretch to get long colas but not turn back into a bush. The screen was dropped on top around the end of June first of july and was 4 ft tall.

You can see the work screen here:

getting close. I think I harvested her a week before Christmas.

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That’s just Ag trellis holding the buds from falling over. You can’t see it but it is Scrogged thru what I think is 2 X 4 hog wire fence on the second screen . The first screen I scrogged thru I made the mistake of tucking thru nylon or plastic fencing. The plant is so strong it started to bow up the fence and rip the staples out. Use wire fencing and u nails. If you mean by lollipopping which it really isn’t in this case , I trimmed out the lowers when all daylight was cut out. You keep tucking to fill your screen and try to time it right so your screen is full and just a couple of inches of the tops are out of the screen when the stretch starts . The fine line to walk for bigger colas is to get enough length of the tops out before the stretch to get long colas but not turn back into a bush.

You can see the work screen here:

getting close. I think I harvested her a week before Christmas.

Thank you SBW ! it was a lot of fun and even more work. The strain was Drizella from Dynasty.
I think we will be scrogging Cherry pie this year.

I have a cherry pie this year too.
it’s a 9-10 week strain.
are you worried about over filling the scrog again?

I made a screen for two of my 18 gallon plants this season.but I’m having a bitch of a time keeping the legs unwonkey. and keeping it upright.
it’s 4′ x 10′ made from bamboo poles and the same “screen” you used.
We get coastal winds here and I see this ending badly. any ideas?

also is your trellis 4″ x 4″ or 6″ x 6″ so I have better scale.
A Class, Number One work, my friend. you have much to be proud of!

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I have a cherry pie this year too.
it’s a 9-10 week strain.
are you worried about over filling the scrog again?

I made a screen for two of my 18 gallon plants this season.but I’m having a bitch of a time keeping the legs unwonkey. and keeping it upright.
it’s 4′ x 10′ made from bamboo poles and the same “screen” you used.
We get coastal winds here and I see this ending badly. any ideas?

also is your trellis 4″ x 4″ or 6″ x 6″ so I have better scale.
A Class, Number One work, my friend. you have much to be proud of!

Like most folks in the city I have fence height restrictions or dangers I should say. As I mentioned out door scrogging is kinda a little hard to time right . Im starting two weeks later than I did last year and the plants in the tent are on 15 hrs of light trying to keep them small. Over filling the screen isn’t that bad, just drop another screen on it if ya have to but topping and weaving are your friends.

maybe you can bury your legs in the dirt or run cross stays to help . build your table with 2×2’s and 2×3’s. sometimes you have to tie or weight the table to the ground cause the plant will lift it. That was 6×6 trellis. And boy oh boy , Cherry pie has some stretch to her. I think it will be a good scrogging strain because it needs to be cohursed to branch out and the stretch will help .

Whats up everybody, hey so I have never used the scrog grow setup before but I am doing it this year mainly just to contain my plants in one area during…

Outdoor stealth Scrog

  • Apr 6, 2017
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    Hello – not sure if this is the right place but looking for some insight into doing an outdoor Scrog to keep my plants low. Am a legal grow but would still like to keep my plants out of sight – privacy issue etc.

    Thinking I could creat a 4′ x 2′ Scog frame for each plant, set about three feet high and use standard nylon netting. As I am in zone 4b, guessing would be best to put plants out in early June to avoid frost and start them in long light. Not sure how big they would grow before going into bloom stage though – concern would be if they could outgrow the scrog before budding. All would be in a greenhouse as well and would of course lollypop the bottom third to promote air circulation and divert energy up to mainplant.

    Anyone w experience in doing an outdoor Scrog? Particularly in a Northern climate – again, zone 5/4b?

    • Apr 7, 2017
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    • Apr 7, 2017
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    Interesting. I would have thought starting the screen earlier to train them laterally from the point that they reach it eg 2 or 3 feet high. My challenge is also estimating how far they could stretch flat and how much space to provide in a northern climate. My sense is to provide more than enough room for this first experiment. I can grow veggies in between and cut them back if space becomes limited.

    As for training – I had also considered mainlining / manifold – again, to support lateral grow. Topping and super cropping will certainly be applied as well.

    Any experience w monster cropping outdoors? Would there be an advantage?

    • Apr 7, 2017
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    This is kinda like what I’m hoping to do. Boost productivity while keeping out of sight.

    • Apr 7, 2017
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    ___________________________
    “The answer is never the answer. What’s really interesting is the mystery. If you seek the mystery instead of the answer, you’ll always be seeking. I’ve never seen anybody really find the answer, but they think they have. So they stop thinking. But the job is to seek mystery, evoke mystery, plant a garden in which strange plants grow and mysteries bloom. The need for mystery is greater than the need for an answer..” – Ken Kesey

    • Apr 7, 2017
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    I wonder if you need a net. SOG/SCROG techniques were developed to get more light to more bud sites in indoor growing. With natural sun there is no penetration of light problem. After 20 mil miles whats another foot

    LST and trimming should be sufficient to meet the stealth requirement.

    Edit to add: Strain selection will help you also. There are varieties well suited to outdoor growing that are low and bushy.

    • Apr 7, 2017
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    This is kinda like what I’m hoping to do. Boost productivity while keeping out of sight.

    • Apr 7, 2017
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    I wonder if you need a net. SOG/SCROG techniques were developed to get more light to more bud sites in indoor growing. With natural sun there is no penetration of light problem. After 20 mil miles whats another foot

    LST and trimming should be sufficient to meet the stealth requirement.

    Edit to add: Strain selection will help you also. There are varieties well suited to outdoor growing that are low and bushy.

    • Apr 7, 2017
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    • Apr 8, 2017
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    I’ll look into the that. I’m thinking I may look for smaller grid sized fending 2×3 as it is easy to find and cheap.

    My thoughts on this are sure – the sun’s light penetrates well but it doesn’t go through leaves – at least not that far. So, with a bush like structure my honking is that only the outer regions really get much sun / produce flowers. By SCROGing outside – one gets the same benefits as was intended for inside use – maximum exposure as well as concealed grow. I’m also thinking it would be easier to harvest and manage pests as well. Air flow would be good as the plants would be lollypopped underneath. Same reason why grape are grown laterally.

    Any possible disadvantages apart from the need to set up structure and maintenance / training?

    • Apr 8, 2017
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    With outdoor grows, one benefit is the breeze/wind moves the branches enough allowing light to get to all the bud sites. My thinking isn’t so much the disadvantages of doing it, rather I’m uncertain if you get any real benefit from it. Only you can decide that. I have enough ‘fun’ training tomatoes plus I joined the esteemed Society of Lazy Growers.

    I’m a sweetsue lab rat so experimentation is fun. Trying a few plants as a scrog, and a couple with just topping/lst, just to see the difference would be a good thing.

    One caution – take care in the size of the wire in whatever you choose. If is fine like say chicken wire it could cut the stems and branches because of the breeze/wind factor. The wire in a chain link fence might be ok.

    Looking fwd to seeing your grow and the results. I don’t recall seeing an outdoor scrog before so that alone is a great reason for you to try it.

    Edit to add: Just remembered I have access to a fence gate from a chain link fence that’s been taken down. You’ve inspired me to try this too . maybe. In my circumstances, my concern will be that the scrog structure will be more ‘attention getting’ than plants growing randomly in a wildflower meadow.

    • Apr 13, 2017
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    With outdoor grows, one benefit is the breeze/wind moves the branches enough allowing light to get to all the bud sites. My thinking isn’t so much the disadvantages of doing it, rather I’m uncertain if you get any real benefit from it. Only you can decide that. I have enough ‘fun’ training tomatoes plus I joined the esteemed Society of Lazy Growers.

    I’m a sweetsue lab rat so experimentation is fun. Trying a few plants as a scrog, and a couple with just topping/lst, just to see the difference would be a good thing.

    One caution – take care in the size of the wire in whatever you choose. If is fine like say chicken wire it could cut the stems and branches because of the breeze/wind factor. The wire in a chain link fence might be ok.

    Looking fwd to seeing your grow and the results. I don’t recall seeing an outdoor scrog before so that alone is a great reason for you to try it.

    Edit to add: Just remembered I have access to a fence gate from a chain link fence that’s been taken down. You’ve inspired me to try this too . maybe. In my circumstances, my concern will be that the scrog structure will be more ‘attention getting’ than plants growing randomly in a wildflower meadow.

    i guess I have a few reasons to SCROG – at least based on the principle.
    – it allows me to keep my plants low – at four feet is my goal. This keeps them below the fence line and out of sight.
    – Easier to monitor buds for pathogens – bugs and mold etc as they will all be in reach
    – increase yield as is the case w indoor. Growing flat also affects certain growth hormones.
    – easier to protect from elements as I can toss row cover / 6mm plastic over them if weather gets too wet or cold

    A clear con is that they will take up more surface area but I’ll get over that.

    Done some additional Google searches for and results sound positive.

    Will post photos when in process. Who knows, this may work out or could be a disaster – will see. I know that mold will be a potential issue so will be sure to lolly and pay attention to air flow.

    Hello – not sure if this is the right place but looking for some insight into doing an outdoor Scrog to keep my plants low. Am a legal grow but would still… ]]>